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  • reload1992 - Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - link

    I am building a pc for the first time Is this a good motherboard for gaming?
  • Calin - Monday, October 10, 2005 - link

    I would like to change my mainboard/processor (as they are still in the 600MHz range), and I really would like one of those things. However, not wanting to pay the whole extra $100 for a socket 939 processor, I would like to know the performance of the Socket 754 board (coupled with an Sempron processor).
    In case your plans does not accout for making tests with the dual channel memory board, could you please test it with a single DIMM (in order to simulate a 754 board on the hardware you have)?

    Thank you very much
    Calin
  • varundubey - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link

    Hi, in your article here:
    http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2539">http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2539

    you say that NVIDIA 6100/430 and NVIDIA 6100/410 support pure video but Nvidia disagrees here:
    http://www.nvidia.com/page/gpu_mobo.html">http://www.nvidia.com/page/gpu_mobo.html

    should be a tad more careful no?
  • glennpratt - Wednesday, October 5, 2005 - link

    NVIDIA has corrected the link.
  • Wesley Fink - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link

    The chart showing Pure Video support for the 6100/410 is cut and pasted from nVidia launch literature for the 6100. If it's wrong or in conflict with other nVidia publications please talk with nVidia for clarification.
  • Phiro - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link

    Varun, they've abandoned us to fend for ourselves.
  • LoneWolf15 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - link

    My best use for this would be an nForce 430/GF6150 mATX board for a HTPC setup. I'll be eagerly waiting to see how this does. It'd be great to use an entry-level Sempron or A64 as part of a small, quiet rig for this sort of application, and the onboard HD audio, gig Ethernet (for transferring files from a media server across the intranet), and HD over TV-out are all big plusses.

    I'll be waiting to see this tested when it becomes available, as I'm once-bitten-twice-shy on the nVidia PureVideo thing, but if it can meet or beat the on-paper specs, it looks to be a winner.
  • Phiro - Friday, September 23, 2005 - link

    Question - was the HL2 benchmark run under the DX8 or DX9 codepath?

    I ask because the numbers to me seemed to compare the 6100 to the Geforce 5700. You show the 6100 getting 55fps at 800x600 in HL2 with normal/low settings. The 5900XT gets 104fps with highest settings w/o AA in a similar setup, until I read closely and saw that was with the DX8 codepath. Forcing the 5900XT to use the DX9 codepath knocks it down to ~30fps if I recall.

    If that's true, and the 6100 was run under the DX9 codepath and it got 55fps with lowered settings, that still puts this video card a big chunk above a 5700 IMO.
  • Phiro - Monday, September 26, 2005 - link

    Wesley, you can't quit reading the feedback from an article you write less than 24 hours after you post said article.

    Come on, fess up w/the information!
  • Wesley Fink - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - link

    I'm not the graphics guru, but I thought the DX9/DX8 codepaths were an early HL2 concern long since resolved. At any rate we run HL2 thorugh Steam and update before benching. The system is XP SP2 9.0c. The bench utility is the Guru3D HL2 benchmarking tool running Guru3D Demo5. The HL2 update from the last few days has corrupted all of of HL2 benchmarks - including the Guru3D tool - but that's another story.
  • wharris1 - Friday, September 23, 2005 - link

    Great article for a chipset with a lot of potential. I was wondering if we'd get southbridge (410/430) performance testing that's been found on most recent motherboard reviews (USB, SATA, audio, etc).
  • blinky2004 - Friday, September 23, 2005 - link

    Bright yellow slots and retention brackets and CMOS Reloaded hmmm.... Just like the DFI's...
    I wonder if DFI lent a hand on the design.
  • xsilver - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    quote: "The only other place that we have seen CMOS reloaded is DFI."

    abit also has a "reloaded" cmos feature
    but then again -- AT is pro dfi right ;)
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Sure, we're "pro DFI" - because DFI is making some very impressive boards. We're basically pro-enthusiast. :p

    I'm a little curious about the "CMOS Reloaded", though, as I would have that the name was trademarked.
  • xsilver - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    abit dont call it cmos reloaded probably because it is trademarked
    they call it uguru -- but it performs pretty much the same i think
    eg. profiles in bios -- even if you reset the bios, you can load from a number of profiles that have been saved

    abit also has the guru software which can load a different set of profiles (on the fly overclocking) while in windows --- not sure if dfi /others have that
  • MattH - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    The big question for me is whether the 6100/6150 will run Aero Glass.

    Hopefully there will be some boards out there with the full range of I/O options, including DVI, SPDIF, and 1394a. Put good overclocking options on one of those puppies, keep the price under $90, and it would be a killer board for anyone other than the SLI nuts.
  • Rza79 - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    On which frequency is the RS480 GPU running?
    Because on the MSI RS480 board you can set the mhz from 200Mhz up to 350Mhz.
    On the MSI it is set to 200Mhz by default. So this is an important factor.

    Also, it would be nice to see how the Geforce 6100 stacks up against a full fledged RS480 board like the Gigabyte K8A480M-9 with on board 32MB framebuffer.
    The Gigabyte K8S760M also has on board framebuffer.
  • eRacer - Sunday, September 25, 2005 - link

    Looks like http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/c51-firstlook-test.htm">this HKEPC review uses an ATI chipset with the 32MB dedicated graphics memory. The ATI board (presumably with 32MB memory) is quite a bit faster than the 6100 chipset in the 3D benchmarks tested.
  • Vol2005 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - link

    it was a R482 based mobo
  • Wesley Fink - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    The ATI RS480 GPU clock is 300MHz.
  • sprockkets - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    It has already been shown that the local FB has no effect on performacne here. But it does allow for not taking away from the main memory.
  • Vol2005 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - link

    ATi Xpress 200G @ 450MHz ---- 3DMark 2001SE = 6,396, 3DMark 03 = 1724, 3DMark 05 = 815. (687 05's @300MHz-default)
    http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/c51-firstlook-test.htm">http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/c51-firstlook-test.htm
  • sprockkets - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    $80 at newegg.com

    Btw, can you use the VGA out for HDTV output? Because they do not show any way of hooking up this model to a tv.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    No - not unless your HDTV has a VGA input. (Some do, but they tend to cost $3000+.)
  • HarryAsse - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Would the 6100 be faster than a 9700pro?
  • Brunnis - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Most certainly not. It is very far from the 9700 Pro.
  • linkgoron - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Budget PCs don't have AMD 4000+, but 3000+, and won't have 2 x 512MB OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev. 2 RAM... They'll get 30% lower fps (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) in most games...
  • Wesley Fink - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    The comparison was between the nVidia GeForce 6100 and the current best ATI RS480. As long as we used the same CPU and memory for testing both boards it really didn't matter what CPU we used. The 4000+ is now $368 at New Egg, a little less than the 3800+ x2, and more mid-range than value. The 3000+ costs around $150. We have used the 4000+ in all recent motherboard reviews, so we thought the 4000+ would be easier to compare to other boards we've tested.
  • jediknight - Saturday, September 24, 2005 - link

    It would still be nice to see reviews where budget components (like mobos with integrated graphics) are paired with other budget components (CPU, RAM, etc.) such that the performance numbers more accurately resemble real-world performance.

    Using top-end processors and memory present an unrealistically optimistic picture of real-world performance.. because these combinations are really not likely to be seen.
  • Furen - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Framerate shouldnt bee much lower since these systems are insanely graphics-bound. They could be a bit lower but I wouldnt expect more than a frame or two (per seccond) lower.
  • Josh7289 - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    ATI is losing...badly.

    Their last hope is R520 and its variants. I can't wait for "real" benchmarks. I really want to see how these new cards compare to Nvidia's...and at what prices.
  • ST - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Can you get power consumption #'s for the system? These new generation of nvidia integrated graphics seems to make an ideal htpc setup. Speaking of which, CPU utilization with video playback (wmv9,h.264, etc.) would be nice too! :)
  • Sunbird - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    "There is even good news here as NVIDIA mirrors ATI in now giving the user the option to run integrated graphics and a PCIe video card at the same time."

    That makes my heart happy :) What about you guys?
  • formulav8 - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Looks like the board comes with about all overclocking features. I was wondering why there was no overclocking done with the board or even the gpu if its even possible?

    Or are the overclocking pages there and I just overlooked it??



    Jason
  • Wesley Fink - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    We will do Overclocking tests on a future 6150/430 board in the future. We did try to use Coolbits to push the 6100 clock of 425 to the 6150's 475. The utility shows the correct GPU clock and a Memory Clock on the shared memory of 0. It appears Coolbits is working, but every frequency setting we tried above 425 failed. Apparently a new GPU OC utility is needed for the integrated graphics.
  • coutch - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    ...that the Northbridge and Southbridge are passively cooled. I hope some manufacturers see the potential for these in Home Theatre PCs and create some models with decent TV-out & SPDIF audio output in a small MicroATX format.
  • MercenaryForHire - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    From the article: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?...">NVIDIA Announces AMD Integrated Graphics
    quote:

    Boards are all micro-ATX, and many manufacturers plan living room/convergence boxes that look more like video/hifi components than computers.


    Your wish should be in the process of being granted. :)

    - M4H
  • neogodless - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    How do these integrated chips compare to the budget add-in boards? A lot of Dell desktop systems default to the Radeon X300SE, so that is one such card I'd like to see compared.
  • MercenaryForHire - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    Excellent question.

    Wesley, any chance of spinning some numbers from the http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427">Xpress 200 vs. GMA 950 article to give some comparasion numbers? I'm sure many people are interested to see where the 6100 stands with respect to the 6200TC lineup.

    - M4H
  • Wesley Fink - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    There are useful benchmarks for the GMA950, ATI X200, and 6200 at the same 800x600 resolution in our review at http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427">http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2427. While we agree comparison to the X300 would be useful, we thought you'd appreciate access to the first benchmarks from a retail GeForce 6100 board. We got the board yesterday afternoon and had a review up this morning.

    We will be doing further testing and comparisons as we receive 6100/6150 boards and systems based on these chipsets.
  • erwos - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    I'd also like to see some comparison of the 6150 to the 64-bit, 128mb DDR Sideport (dedicated RAM) variant of the Xpress 200. From what I've seen here, it would appear to be faster than the 6100 (about 100 3dMarks faster), but I've got no idea about the 6150. Judging from clockspeed alone, my guess is that they'd be running neck and neck.

    -Erwos
  • Calin - Monday, September 26, 2005 - link

    I'd like too - but let's just make tests only with the boards that will (hopefully) be easy to find and at a lower price point. I don't think XPress200 plus DDR Sideport would be cheaper than a normal board and cheap video card, and I'm sure their availability won't be too great either.

    Anyway, those 6150 - I want one :p
  • MercenaryForHire - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - link

    I'm impressed on that point alone.

    The performance is pretty impressive for a chip with no local framebuffer as well - I'd like to see a review of a Hardcore Budget Build with this and a 939 Sempron when they become available. :)

    - M4H

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